Curse

Cordub · May 10, 2005, 01:52 AM // 01:52

Now, I have seen this post over and over and I just want to break it down.
"The Necromancer is the Anti- Warrior, ranger" Why? because he has spells the ignore the armor. Why is important to a N/W or W/N build? Well that means that you dont have to deal with the high armor of a warrior.

Ok so we want spells that ignore armor? Yes, this will help you put warriors at an armor rating lower then yours. So you Life transefer and Touches and what not, kill warriors faster then just hitting them.

So why a Necro/War over a War/necro well i just explained. Armor Ignoring spells and you cant get many of them off with a low energy regenation warrior. They cant get it back fast enough to be usefull, plus they have a very limited amount of energy. With a necro / warrior and scar chest pattern and an idol in the off hand you will have around 60 energy with a double to triple energy regan rate. So you may have more armor but in reality you dont as W/N.

sadrobot · May 10, 2005, 03:42 AM // 03:42

does a N/w have less hp then its inverse? and you say they have armour ignoring moves; are you just refering to vampiric gaze and touch or are there a bunch others i am missing?

Cordub · May 10, 2005, 03:51 AM // 03:51

Well life transefer Ignores armor Shadow touch(name may be wrong) Dark pact a good majority of the Blood magic spells ignore armor. That is the reason for some Like Dark pact to have 10% health lose. I belive a necro / warrior has only 50 less life i will check this tonight when i get off work and post it here.

sadrobot · May 10, 2005, 10:03 AM // 10:03

last question..... lets say they are goihng against each other. wont the N/W loose because all the tools you have described so far that the N will use the warrior can use right backa nd have armour with those?

Manderlock · May 10, 2005, 10:19 AM // 10:19

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Originally Posted by Cordub

Now, I have seen this post over and over and I just want to break it down.
"The Necromancer is the Anti- Warrior, ranger" Why? because he has spells the ignore the armor. Why is important to a N/W or W/N build? Well that means that you dont have to deal with the high armor of a warrior.

Ok so we want spells that ignore armor? Yes, this will help you put warriors at an armor rating lower then yours. So you Life transefer and Touches and what not, kill warriors faster then just hitting them.

So why a Necro/War over a War/necro well i just explained. Armor Ignoring spells and you cant get many of them off with a low energy regenation warrior. They cant get it back fast enough to be usefull, plus they have a very limited amount of energy. With a necro / warrior and scar chest pattern and an idol in the off hand you will have around 60 energy with a double to triple energy regan rate. So you may have more armor but in reality you dont as W/N.

Haha, you use you scar chest pattern aginst my warrior, and I promis you will be dead. I will sever, gash, FT you to death. if you are goint to use the scar patteren, use it on something other than your troso or legs. This is because most hits will land there.

You cant say one is better than the other. They are two different playing styles, find the one your better with and use it.

sadrobot · May 10, 2005, 10:52 AM // 10:52

i dont htink a N/W will beat the other they just do different things. the reason i play one is because they are cool as hell and everyone is always a W main not secondary

Cordub · May 10, 2005, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by Manderlock

Haha, you use you scar chest pattern aginst my warrior, and I promis you will be dead. I will sever, gash, FT you to death. if you are goint to use the scar patteren, use it on something other than your troso or legs. This is because most hits will land there.

You cant say one is better than the other. They are two different playing styles, find the one your better with and use it.

You see i thought the same thing, but from the runs i have done. I found that faceing warriors this is not a problem. Now, caster spell still do more damage but just a bit more.

Now as for the sever, gash i use the same combo, and i know if you dont have some High damage attacks this will not take a n/w down. The necro cancels the bleed for the most part with Life Transefer and Blood renew with a regan rate of 10 extra. Plus, Bleed Ignores armor from what i understand so sever doesnt matter the armor i have on i could be naked for the most part. Gash, is not a big damage attack, the way the attack seem to work is it takes the base HP then takes 20% away, now i have done this to you. Then you get blasted with a Vampiric touch which does around 67 damage and vampiric gaze which does around 54 damage. So that is 121, now with life transefer on and the First Vamiric gaze your down under half life and still losing. So that will kill you, Im not just trashing talking i use this combo for a warrior all the time. Now a few things change here and there do to the almost ever changing oppents(sp). But for the most part I hope I cleared it up for you

May 10, 2005, 07:32 PM // 19:32

The necro is anti warrior/ranger because of it's Curse line, not because of armor ignoring damage.

Lord Furious · May 10, 2005, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Ok, but which is better pve / pvp. I don't see how a N/W has the survivability a W/N does. Anyone have any anecdots of pvp / pvp at high level, and then on the way to high level?

Cordub · May 10, 2005, 08:13 PM // 20:13

They do have the same spells, but the warrior is not able to use then when they need to be used. Right in the frist of the match you want to cast Life Transefer, Blood Renew and Then Vampiric gaze before even getting in melee range. Now, you are out of energy and it is gaining a very slow rate. You probley wount be able to get off Frenzy, to build the warrior skills up fast so you have less time in melee range. So your kinda of screwed even if you do get the Sever gash combo you wont be able to finish it off with any and i many any High damage which you need. This at least what my build needs and I have tried to play this Class other ways this is just the most effective method i have currently came across.

EDIT: I should read Frenzy + For great justice to build the warrior skills up fast

Lord Furious · May 10, 2005, 08:16 PM // 20:16

So pretty much, N/W is more offense, W/N is more defense, but which does the job of tanking better? Which has the greatest survivability vs multiple attackers either pc or npc.

Cordub · May 10, 2005, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Blackace

The necro is anti warrior/ranger because of it's Curse line, not because of armor ignoring damage.

I dont use the Curse line my self you can though. Im stating what i have found to work. The curse line will get the crap bet out of you. At least when i tried i was running around like chicken with my head off alot. Let people try the curse line i hope they do and will come back and help me to improve my build But as for the Curse line be way they kill Warrior right in the discription of the necro or the necro skills is states " Necromancer are great for taking down warriors and ranger do to there spells that IGNORE ARMOR" may not be word for word and i will post it when I find it but im currently at work so it could take a few min.

Cordub · May 10, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Lord Furious

So pretty much, N/W is more offense, W/N is more defense, but which does the job of tanking better? Which has the greatest survivability vs multiple attackers either pc or npc.

Well, its depends on what attackers. Thats the truth every class has its killer, so it just depends on what skills you take what type of skills are being casted. I have found that PvE for some reason the W/N does live longer, but the N/W kills faster so its really just depends on what you like your self. I hope some of this is helpful and im sure some is not but if you find somthing out or somthing i missed plz let me know thanks.

Luggage · May 10, 2005, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Shadow of fear, Enfeeble, Enfeeble Blood, Insidious Parasite, Rigor Mortis, Defile Flesh, Desecrate Enchantments, Faintheartedness, Price of Failure, Rend Enchantments, Weaken Armor... have you looked at the curse skill list?

It's such a collection of warrior/melee hate nothing comes close.

No they wont kill anything in themself but...

...they make warriors even more ignorable

Lord Furious · May 10, 2005, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Cordub

I dont use the Curse line my self you can though. Im stating what i have found to work. The curse line will get the crap bet out of you. At least when i tried i was running around like chicken with my head off alot. Let people try the curse line i hope they do and will come back and help me to improve my build But as for the Curse line be way they kill Warrior right in the discription of the necro or the necro skills is states " Necromancer are great for taking down warriors and ranger do to there spells that IGNORE ARMOR" may not be word for word and i will post it when I find it but im currently at work so it could take a few min.

Thank you for the response. And that's what I figured, I was mostly hoping I could here situations or fights people remember. Right now my W/N is level 5. I'm still in Pre-Sear, and am having a blast. I can take on groups of enemies, and am aware of the lack of magic usage, but was wondering if N/W can make up for that with extra casts of Vamp Touch and the like.

Cordub · May 10, 2005, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by Lord Furious

Thank you for the response. And that's what I figured, I was mostly hoping I could here situations or fights people remember. Right now my W/N is level 5. I'm still in Pre-Sear, and am having a blast. I can take on groups of enemies, and am aware of the lack of magic usage, but was wondering if N/W can make up for that with extra casts of Vamp Touch and the like.

It can, i tried the N/W path first then I thought well im going to try the other way. I personaly injoy the Killing faster in PvE, but my cousin which was down for release weekend would rather have the warrior. If it comes down to it yes you can live with a necro/warrior and take a pretty good beat down. But you also have to remeber to cast Life siphion. It is the reganeyour lvl. This will help alot and I will put this on all the mobs as i run to ingauge it has a lower recast time and keeps damageing anyting you put it on. Now, one thing im not for sure about is if the regain stack on you. Say you have it on three mobs as i do most of the time do you get regain for each mob or just the base 7 I belive its 3 with life siphion. Now this is also good for a warrior / necro you just wount be able to toss it around all over the place as a Necro /warrior would. Life does pull a good chunk of health i have had mobs drop will killing off the others from this. So, I mean your still at the same question which one will tank better. In that point of view if you take mostly regain spells as in Life siphion / Life transefer when you get it(elite Skill) and blood renew spells, I know people say they suck but if dont have the time to put Life siphion on all the targest the +3 regain and the 141 heal at the end is worth life steel spell you have to use. I hope this helps you out any, Yes the W/N could be a better tank if played right and used correctly. But for damage a N/W does out do it. There are some curse i have not gotten but im going to check into this a bit more when i get off work. From what i have read some of these may be good to be a tank but they all appear to be fairly high energy so i will check this out and post my findings back here.

Oh and for the Ignoring armour thing this is what it states as the Pros for a necro word for word. -anti warrior/ranger skills are abundant - armor ignoring damage skills. Hope this will help you understand I did do my research on the class.

Fallen Rain · May 10, 2005, 09:46 PM // 21:46

I find that I enjoy my Warrior/Necro (axe/curse) a LOT more in PVE whilst I enjoy my Necro/Warrior (sword/blood) a LOT more in PVP.

It's all how you play it, axe warrior/curse necros can be AOE PVE MONSTERS and a Blood Necro/ *warrior will decimate an improperly prepared team such as pugs or bad arranged teams with low monk support. (drop life siphon on all four at the beginning with 12 ranks in blood for 3 pips of health degen each, and 12 pips of regen yourself.. then they can all four try to kill you and they will be unable to for the duration of the siphons)

A Blood Necro/* Warrior is a greater tank than a * Warrior/Blood Necro in PVP because they have the energy to fuel four consistent Life Siphons and that gives them the max of 12 pips of health regen while they are all up. A Warrior/Necro can not fuel this in PVP.

SiggeH · May 10, 2005, 10:11 PM // 22:11

After readin the strategy in the opening post, im gonna take a while guess and say you've been fighting Conan the librarian warrior/monks in arena's.. hehe. That way works really well against them. Cause thier skill bar is pretty one side.

I wonder how that would fair against my Warrior/Ranger, I got a feeling I would come out on top. 2 20s skill disable and one instant knock down interrupt, while my pet is chewing at you (which, contrary to popular beliefe, hurts when you spec it).

But I got a 20 necro/monk who was /warrior up until lvl 19 and those spells work brialliantly against your typical warrior.

Cordub · May 10, 2005, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by SiggeH

After readin the strategy in the opening post, im gonna take a while guess and say you've been fighting Conan the librarian warrior/monks in arena's.. hehe. That way works really well against them. Cause thier skill bar is pretty one side.

I wonder how that would fair against my Warrior/Ranger, I got a feeling I would come out on top. 2 20s skill disable and one instant knock down interrupt, while my pet is chewing at you (which, contrary to popular beliefe, hurts when you spec it).

But I got a 20 necro/monk who was /warrior up until lvl 19 and those spells work brialliantly against your typical warrior.

Well this was not post at warrior/monks I do belive that this is a thread about which can tank better a Necro/warrior or a Warrior/Nerco. As for a Warrior/Ranger they have never presented a problem. From what I have learned is you guys a to busy trying to run away or chase a monk. Most of the time I just hit you with Life Transefer and carry on about my business. I dont belive I have ever been killed by one. I know Mes destory me, Ele can if spec right but as for a ranger the only time they kill me is blastin me in the back as im already strugleing with a weak team. But, hey is there a one on one arena, I have not seen one but I have not seen every thing. But I would like to test your therory on my build.

Edit: Oh and your pets damage is easly taken away with life transefer. I do like to caste this on pets in the beginning of a match as alot of people will not attack them and i can get the full use of it.

Cordub · May 10, 2005, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by Luggage

Shadow of fear, Enfeeble, Enfeeble Blood, Insidious Parasite, Rigor Mortis, Defile Flesh, Desecrate Enchantments, Faintheartedness, Price of Failure, Rend Enchantments, Weaken Armor... have you looked at the curse skill list?

It's such a collection of warrior/melee hate nothing comes close.

No they wont kill anything in themself but...

...they make warriors even more ignorable

Well it would be nice to throw all of that in, but we have limited space on the skill bar. One of those spaces are gone to Rez Signet, so you must be thinking we have a 12 or 13 skill bar. I have set up a build that puts the Bleed - deep wounds of swords to good use with the Higher Necro spells. I did this to get fast killing or high damage. If i wanted to sit around and wait for them to die, I would roll a full caster. Does that make any sense to you, You can cast all that crap on somone and maybe kill them in 20 sec or 18, if they die. The way you are saying you would make the said warrior Ignorable. Why do this? I dont understand how makeing someone Ignorable as to makeing them no exist. I also stated that Curse is not my build it may work for you. This build works for me i like to kill stuff fast as fast as i can. Well i am sorry you think ignoring somthing is better then just killing it. In a short time or same amount of time and mana. I dont get it myself but maybe other people do and we will see this build more.